Wilders prosecution to go ahead: Dutch news.nl
Wednesday 20 May 2009 from Dutchnews.nl
Geert Wilders, leader of the anti-Islam party PVV, will definitely be prosecuted for inciting hatred against Muslims and Islam, news agency ANP writes on Wednesday.
A request by Wilders’ lawyer Bram Moscowicz to have the decision to prosecute quashed has been rejected by the Dutch supreme court.
Amsterdam appeal court said in January Wilders should stand trial for hate speech and discrimination. The public prosecution department had said earlier there were not sufficient grounds to prosecute the MP.
The anti-immigration MP said he expected ‘a political trial’. ‘I am being prosecuted for something millions of Dutch people are thinking… Freedom of speech is being sacrificed on the altar of islam. But I am ready to fight back with my head held high’, he added.
Comments
By American on May 21st, 2009 at 8:28 pm
This is outrageous. Will the Dutch hasve the courage to prosecute members of Islam for insulting Judaism or Christianity? I doubt it. Yet Muslims continue to disparage other religions as a matter of course.
I would like to begin a worldwide boycott of Dutch products if this man is convicted of this absurd charge.
I am disgusted with the Dutch and thier spineless government.
By Glacian on May 21st, 2009 at 9:18 pm
This is totally absurd. Why aren’t more people pissed off about this?!
By James Cohen on May 21st, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Glacian, I ask myself that question about usually two or three things every day.
Here is someone else asking it about a similar issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efRAerUFBJo
By Maria on May 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
We must do everything we can to help The Honorable Geert Wilders – and quickly! Please share this information with friends. Thank you.
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By Rockmelon on May 25th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
The Amsterdam officials have already decided the verdict. So adament are they that they must try Wilders for hate speech and discrimination, there could be no verdict other than guilty!
I had fallen in love with Amsterdam and visited often. However, two years ago I imposed my own boycott on Europe because it was evident that European nationals were becoming second class citizens in their own countries.
I hope that others do the same. Boycott all things European! And let’s hope for the best for Geert! I adore him.
By GW defender on May 26th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. (Thomas Jefferson)
Don’t forGeert Wilders!
Stop talking, start acting.
Isn’t Geert’s freedom worth a stamp? and yours?
If Geert Wilders falls, then Freedom of speech is dead in Europe. We are launching an extensive International Action SITA including two possible texts ; one comparing Wilders and Winston Churchill and another Wilders and Charlie Chaplin:
http://sitamnesty.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/i-support-democrat-geert-winston-wilders-against-islamic-fascism-and-its-dhimmis
http://sitamnesty.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/i-support-democrat-geert-charlie-wilders-against-islamic-fascism
To support Geert Wilders and our dearly acquired freedoms please participate to the 2 suggested actions and transmit this message to your friends owners of a website in order they publish it.
An other way to support Geert Wilders is to give some money. To donate: http://www.geertwilders.nl
By Windsor on September 5th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Nothing peaceful or progressive about Geert, lock him up and throw away the key.
By islamic news blog on October 7th, 2009 at 9:12 am
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By Beijk on October 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 am
GeertWilders is no great man.
Ofcourse it is true that we shouldn’t allow muslims to insult us when we aren’t allowed to insult them.
But have you ever heard a muslim MP insult another religion like THIS in parlement?
The man came with the idea to SHOOT marocan troublemakers!!! While in The Hague the same kind of violence is normal after the local football match EACH WEEKEND.
I’m intrested to see if he gets a sentence for this.
By WeAreDoomed on October 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 am
Euorope is definetely heading for a religious civil war. But the question is- which side will our governments be on?
By WeAreDoomed on October 22nd, 2009 at 10:19 am
Religious civil war in Europe is coming, our governments submit to Islam and the people won’t accept it. The future is looking very bad.
By Lex Rock on October 22nd, 2009 at 10:34 am
THis is so fucking stupid.
Wake up people!!!!
By James Cohen on October 22nd, 2009 at 11:58 am
Wearedoomed:
I ask myself the question: To what extent is country X a people with a government, or a government with a nation. Where a nation, England for example, is a government with a people, they will be on the side of the bureaucracy. Watch the BBC and you will have a very clear idea of what side they are on. Where a nation is a people with a government, let’s say the USA of a few years ago, there would be solid immunity to the issues facing much of the world today. As for the USA of today, the noise is so loud from all sides, its very difficult to know exactly how things may play out.
By WeAreDoomed on October 22nd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
I am from England myself and there is a lot of Anti-Islamic feeling here. And tonight on a BBC programme a right-wing politician who is gaining support- Nick Griffin of the BNP will be on. The politicians from other parties better show they are against Islamic extremism or people will vote BNP. People are getting angry at the government here for having one law for Islamic extremists and one law for everyone else. Islamic extremists have been inciting murder and violence on the streets in London and elsewhere and not getting arrested, despite clearly breaking the law. It is as if the government and other parties are sympathetic to them, or even worse, scared.
By James Cohen on October 22nd, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Wearedoomed have a look at this excellent article by the UK’s Melanie Phillips:
http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=689
By Gavin on October 22nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
I second the comment above. Parties in the UK had better get their heads out of the sand – and fast – or the BNP will be picking up some serious votes.
As for Geert, he is a truth-telling hero. Please support the petition here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/wilders/petition.html
By peter from the netherlands on October 23rd, 2009 at 10:48 am
I feel a shamed of my own country.
Believe me, millions of my fellow dutchies agree with Wilders, but unfortunatly everyone is too chickenshit to open their mouth.
I am sure wilders will win this trial, but will be shot to death the moment he comes out of the courtroom.
So please, don’t ‘digust’ the dutch, we can’t do shit… even if we want to..
peace,
peter
By peter from holland on October 23rd, 2009 at 10:49 am
I feel a shamed of my own country.
Believe me, millions of my fellow dutchies agree with Wilders, but unfortunatly everyone is too chickenshit to open their mouth.
I am sure wilders will win this trial, but will be shot to death the moment he comes out of the courtroom.
So please, don’t ‘disgust’ the dutch, we can’t do shit… even if we want to..
peace,
peter
By miguel on October 24th, 2009 at 5:52 am
All religion promotes evil, ignorance and social descrimination…
but islam… its not like other religions… it cannot be halted by wisdom and education, like other religions are, Islam must be destroyed…
By Jekker on October 25th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Wilders film does incite to hatred against Muslims , this is a fact . Now the real question is whether inciting to hatred against a human group in an internet video should be punished by law .
imagine that he did for example a film that shows the ‘evils’ of homosexuality (high risk of HIV , low life expectancy , suicide , drug use ..etc) then showed the statistics of the rising number of homosexuals in Europe and the larger acceptance of their practices and then called for europeans to wake up and stop these evil people . wouldn’t you call that a film that incites hatred against homosexuals ? and is the author of such a film to be sued in justice ? if so then the author of FITNA is to be sued in justice as well .
By James Cohen on October 25th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Wilder’s film does not create hatred of Muslims. The actions of Muslims in the film may create hatred of them to those who find those actions repugnant and not in the interests of a liberal democratic society. The same can be said of Nazis and communists. If I made a film about how Nazis behaved in the 1040s before most people knew what they believed and were doing, it would have created a lot of hatred towards Nazis. Frankly, I think thats a good thing. Have a listen to the average ‘sermon’ from the average mosque. The one I just heard was in Toronto, was an hour long, and the entire thing was nothing more than a call to Toronto Muslims to hate the kufar and establish Islamic primacy.
I think the rest of us better know about it and now.
By Jekker on October 31st, 2009 at 9:48 am
Wilders film certainly does incite to hatred , it shows some acts of barbarity commited by some individuals claiming to do them in the name of islam and then tries to stamp this image on all the muslims , the best proof of that is when he shows the statistics of Muslims in Europe and portrays this as a serious threat . This is of course no different from the Nazi propaganda films that used to portray the jews in a very evil light and show the cases against some prominent jews as a proof for that, commpare them to rats and show that their numbers are rising and if not annihilated they would destroy the whole Europe and Germany . although this film doesn’t go as far as that , it is nontheless on the same continuum . and judging by the the very important amount of praise that this film of propaganda is receiving, it is no wonder that the nazi discourse seduced dozens of millions of people . most people are like sheep , they just follow the tide , no matter how immoral or criminal it might be going . Moral and principled people are indeed a minority , unfortunately.
the debate shouldn’t be on whether the film incites to hatred or not (it clearly does) , but rather on whether the law is to punish people who produce such films , and whether freedom of speech should be total or restrained by ethical considerations .
By Alber Crombie on November 2nd, 2009 at 9:35 pm
The depictions and text in the film Fitna was only assembled from already existing sources by Wilders, not invented by him!
He included real quotes from the Koran, not ones of his own invention. He included actual news footage of Bombings and other violence which had already been assigned to the actions of Islamists. If he is convicted of a crime for this, then any news organization which shows a TV clip or newspaper article depicting a bomb blast which Islamists have taken credit for, or showing an angry muslim crowd could be convicted of the same crime of offending Islam.
Any mention of Islam can be deemed offensive in the public square, at the whim of Islamists who say they are offended.
By Rudeboy732 on December 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 am
The man is going on trial for being a current example of the types that perpetuated the Holocaust, Darfour, and other genocides. These ethnic cleansings did not start on their own..They began with the appeasement and empowerment of such tyrants like Geert Wilders. He is not an honorable man nor a leader of anyone for he is only a man scared to face the realities of our modern present day world. There are Muslims, there are Christians, and there are Jews..If we do not attempt to live together while giving clout and venerable voice to such lunatics like Wilders, we are no better than any of the terrorists we have all come to hate. If anything, we are becoming just like them. I pray he goes to jail for a long time and is given a chance at redemption.
By Don Darko on December 2nd, 2009 at 10:31 am
Even though I agree with freedom of speech to the fullest and Geert has the right to be against Muslim but extremists. Unlike hating on extremists or those who take credit for bombings and such, he hates all Muslims; now that’s where the prosecution should come. But don’t think I will leave these extremists out, they should know that when in a country they are to respect the laws of that country as they have been “commanded” by the prophet. They are simply misusing rights given to them by the Dutch and the Dutch are to blind to see it. If I was in Dutchland (i know it’s not called that :D)… I’d simply just send all these extremists on a one way ticket back to the sands they came from. “You came here, we gave food, clothed you, sheltered you, and now you are unthankfull and are being total morons by trying to take away from us. Your time has come up, now GTFO.” That is all I would say to these extremists. However, leave these other peaceful Muslims there who have integrated and are respectful of the laws of the country.
By James Cohen on December 2nd, 2009 at 10:38 am
Very interesting examples you chose Rudeboy. Lets have a look at them.
1. The Holocaust. A joint project by Muslims, specifically the grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his SS units in East Europe, now a highly intolerant Islamic area(Churches set on fire and the rights of non Muslims are diminished in Kosovo as one example) Darfur an even better contemporary example of how Islam and Muslims are slaughtering their way across an entire nation committing genocides and re establishing slavery to a greater degree perhaps than even in the early days of the Muslim, African slave trade. Yes Geert wilders by your own examples is indeed a hero for liberalism for wishing to stop this force for horror. I hope for all our sakes, not the least of which, the Muslims who went to Holland to escape the savagery of their ‘extremists’ that Wilders gets a powerful mandate to govern, and that the rest of Europe takes note: It is OK to defend secular liberalism against irrational leftism and illiberal irrational religious authority such as Islam. I might point out that world wide dear Rudeboy732, Non-Muslim nations are all attempting to live with Muslims and have many laws protecting thier persons, religious rights and even their feelings even though those laws have no place in free societies. However you should also take note that in all Muslim nations there are laws limiting non Muslims and deliberate and overt attempts to eradicate non Muslim thought is dominant. So be very careful who you lecture on tolerance.
By Rudeboy732 on December 2nd, 2009 at 11:57 am
First of all, the Holocaust was not a joint project by Muslims..That is just Israeli/Zionist propaganda. Second I am just projecting that I would hope others realize that this man (and perhaps yourself) are ignorant fools spreading world wide intolerance, which is exactly what the Muslim extremists are doing. I personally don’t care about the laws in Muslim countries that limit the rights of minorities, for they are not democracies and especially far from the standards that countries like the Netherlands and Switzerland exude..at least in doctrine and words. All I got from reading your misguided excerpt from the bowels of your uneducated mind is that you are exactly like those that spread ignorance..And that is especially so with the Isrealis and other like minded militants. After reading your name dear James Cohen..It is apparent that you are of the Zionist mentality..Those that have be the main reason for what ails our world..Although I wasn’t lecturing, I am confident that you are too small minded to understand tolerance regardless. So perhaps you should be careful who YOU lecture on tolerance..The Isrealis are the most intolerant of people to date. My favorite example..A picture showing Nazi SS kicking innocent Jews on the ground..Then showing Isreali IDF kicking innocent Palestinians on the ground..Please read a few books and educate yourself dear James Cohen before attacking a person simply stating their opinion..
By Rudeboy732 on December 2nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
If you couldn’t figure it out, that example is titled “Become the one you hate” dear James Cohen..You Jews have become those you despise..Which is why you are now the reason for world wide instability, intolerance, and conflict. Just as the Nazis were at one point. Perhaps the world will wake up and ban fools like you (and Geert) from expressing the nonsense that came out of the mouth of undesirables like Hitler. Become the one you hate and keep trying to refute me. Please..
By James Cohen on December 2nd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Of course, Muslim Arabs in Israel have all the same rights and perhaps more than Israeli citizens do in Israel. Recently, a person or persons where killed in the West Bank for selling land to a jew. Thats right. They killed one of their own for daring to sell land to a Jew in West bank. This example, as opposed to your fabricated one, is a much more reliable indicator of what tolerance actually is. Israel, gives all equal rights to all, even those who seek the destruction of that nation. Meanwhile, in the rest of the middle east, no rights are afforded to Jews at all even as persons. This is easily verified by anyone through google. So I think its safe to state clearly who is tolerant, and who is not.
By Rudeboy732 on December 2nd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
More useless babble..Like I said..Please read a few books that are relevant to this topic..Perhaps a university class on Political Anthropology; specifically Conflict and Violence before even trying to engage me in such conversation..I feel like I lost several brain cells after reading your nonsensical quasi facts/propaganda. Although extremely ignorant and uninformed you are, can I suggest a career with Fox News writing their scripted and biased b.s.? I think you’d be great. Best of luck :)
By James Cohen on December 2nd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Muslims frequently take their issues to the Israeli supreme court by direct petition and when the case merits it, they win. Which is often. Meanwhile, there is no supreme court in Gaza or the west bank. There are sharia ones though. I doubt they give much equal weight of law to Jews or Christians.
When the Israelis unilaterally pulled out of Gaza some years ago however, the Gazanians did smash burn and otherwise destroy several hydroponic greenhouses which actually grew food profitably and had been left for them intact for that purpose. They also destroyed several ‘holy sites’ to Jewish people. As much as I do not believe in imbuing a place with ‘holiness’ I can’t help but notice how the Muslim communities world wide act when a mere rumour surfaces that a koran has been mistreated by an infidel. Such a rumour cost the lives of many Christian families in Pakistan and weeks of riots in Greece.
By Rudeboy732 on December 2nd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Hold on..Verifying what you just said with google…lol…please stop…You’re only embarrasing yourself.
By James Cohen on December 2nd, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Please continue! Each post you make does a world of good for the facts, more so than anything I could write. I think you have tipped your hand already. The contempt you show for my name indicates that you are identity driven and not fact or reason. So please, do continue to post lots and often.
By Rudeboy732 on December 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
No problem..But I can’t be on here too often like yourself..I’m sure you sit around watching Fox News and reading idiots like yourself on Google all day. I have a career and an education to pursue. You should try either some time. Here’s the Fox Contact site for that job an uninformed, unaware, and ill-bred person like you would be perfect for: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,27906,00.html
P.S. You have no facts..For like I said you are uneducated; believing and diffusing propaganda about world history and current events that unfortunately have become standard in most public schools, media agencies, and any public forum that gives morons like you a chance to speak or disseminate your erroneous beliefs..Please..like I said..Stop for you only embarrass yourself. If you were even slightly knowledgable and erudite in this discussion I would attempt at patronizing your overconfident misinformation. Yet since you are not, I really feel like I am lowering myself for even remotely engaging you.
By James Cohen on December 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Oh I’m certain you do feel you are lowering yourself. After all, a truly tolerant person like yourself probably believes that to have any communication with someone who’s last name is Cohen makes you unclean right? Lets see:
1.”I really feel like I am lowering myself for even remotely engaging you.”
2.”After reading your name dear James Cohen..It is apparent that you are of the Zionist mentality..Those that have be the main reason for what ails our world.”
3. “Which is why you are now the reason for world wide instability, intolerance, and conflict. Just as the Nazis were at one point.”
Yep you showed me who the intolerant one is! You may want to look up ‘Ad hominem’ under logical fallacies while you are busy mocking me as well. Then you might also realize who the educated one is.
By Rudeboy732 on December 2nd, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Please get a life buddy. You are very indignent of even subtle debate. Throwing my quotes back at me just embolden me to combat capricious idiots like. And yes, your name Cohen points to the fact that you are Jewish and very biased toward the Zionist agenda..How stupid could one be to not see that?? Like I said, get a life..Ad Hominem does not make you educated..Your stupidity was shining with the very first of your ignorant words. Turn off Fox News, stop googling Isreali propaganda, and visit your local library and hopefully a university and then we’ll talk..Until then I have no more to say to you..Cohen.
By James Cohen on December 2nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Thanks! :)
By JackDaniel on January 21st, 2010 at 11:56 am
What the hell is wrong with the Dutch government , Wilders is telling the truth of evil islam but he is being prosecuted for that….Ooooh dear..this politically correctness is getting way out of hand. We should do something about this.
By Aly on February 4th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Well, Netherland fell to the Knee with full submission to Islam. A man who’s beining under thread and fear, terrorised for many years in his home land by his Muslim guests is now prosecuted for offending them.
Good Bye Netherland, Good Bye Europe
By Aly on February 4th, 2010 at 9:22 am
Well, Netherland fell to the Knee with full submission to Islam. A man who’s beining under thread and fear, terrorised for many years in his home land by his Muslim guests is now prosecuted for offending them.
Good Bye Netherland, Good Bye Europe, Good Bye Freedom
By Mitur Binesderti on February 28th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Why is the video private if it’s posted here?
By Anisthenes Kyrosarges on March 5th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
It isn’t Wilders who is promulgating hatred, it is the radical Muslim community. They hide behind rights that they haven’t earned, don’t believe in, and wouldn’t defend. When is the West going to wake up and fight back against these miserable barbarians?
I am an American, but I have nothing but respect for the Dutch culture and way of life. My prayers go out to all the people of the Netherlands that they may overcome this destructive virus.
By Anisthenes Kyrosarges on March 5th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
It isn’t Wilders who is promulgating hatred, it is the radical Muslim community. They hide behind rights that they haven’t earned, don’t believe in, and wouldn’t defend.
When is the West going to wake up and fight back against these miserable barbarians?
I am an American, but I have nothing but respect for the Dutch culture and way of life. My prayers go out to all the people of the Netherlands that they may overcome this destructive virus.
By james on June 10th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
The beast( islam) is set lose in europe, the 3 world war is coming ,2020, 2090, all we see now is the prelude 9/11, 7/7, london, bashing in of jewish childs skull by hamas,killing of russian children in southern Russia, bombing of russian trains ,killing of spainish train comuters, madrid,Yet The quislings that govern use live by lies, first and fore most to their own, blood and people.
By RALAM on June 15th, 2010 at 7:03 am
I feel that a religious war is upcoming here in Europe. Continents like the USA are too far off the Islamic center to be the first to start a religious war with them. Daily the exasperation against Islam is growing, each weekends there are fights between Muslim youth and native Europeeans. I carry hatred towards extreme Muslims, not towards Islam as a whole. I am Dutch myself and you can clearly see that clash is far from over. In fact it is a very logic result caused primarily by immigration and migration. When two groups of people who do not share the same thoughts/culture start to mingle it causes tensions, issuees, collisions and ultimately war. Many people think about these kind of incidents way too deeply because of ”civilisation” or costudy or culture. If we put all that shit aside we basically are very high evolved formed of very primitive life-forms such as animals, and that is the problem really; because we have this ”intelligence” we make everything more complicated than it really is. I swear that the things I just said here are just too simple for people to even think about. In the end though this will go wrong and I fear a greater war than we have ever seen which will separate cultures. A world war III is up and coming, might take 10 year, might take 100 or even more…but it’s coming allright!
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