Kurt Westergaard: The BBC Interview
Originally published at BBC News:
The row over publication of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper resurfaced this week as Turkey held up the appointment of Danish prime minister as the new Nato secretary general. But as the BBC’s Malcolm Brabant reports from Denmark, the impact of that 2006 controversy has never gone away for those closely involved.
Dusk was falling, the curtains were open and the house was hyggelig – a Danish word that means cosy, welcoming and enticing – with scores of candles flickering around the open-plan sitting room.
Kurt Westergaard says he is too old to be afraid |
Dressed in his favourite “anarchist” colours of red and black, Kurt Westergaard sat down to a nourishing Nordic repast of black bread, plaice and prawns.
Unwinding after a day at the coalface of his profession, the bohemian grandfather with a seadog’s beard and Father Christmas trousers appeared to be the epitome of Scandinavian tranquillity.
Except relaxing completely is something that this cartoonist can never afford to do.
Islamic extremists placed a $1m price on his head after he dared to mock Muslim suicide bombers by depicting the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb in his turban.
For three years he was forced underground to avoid would-be assassins.
Kurt Westergaard |
But Mr Westergaard has decided that he will hide no more.
“I am 73 years old,” he says.
“Most of my life is over. I am too old to be afraid. I have complete faith in PET [the Danish Secret Service].”
Not only has he emerged from hiding but he has also gone on the offensive, contributing to a recently published Danish book. His new cartoons are not as provocative as the Muhammad bomb but they satirise Islam and politicians who appease the mullahs.
“It is the question of freedom of speech, freedom of expression,” he says.
“I think we are in a period in which this democratic value is under pressure, so it has to be defended.”
Political repercussions
The re-emergence of Mr Westergaard has the potential to reinvigorate the argument over what is more important – respect for religion or absolute freedom of expression.
The cartoons prompted anti-Danish outrage across the Muslim world |
The furore over the cartoons, which reached a zenith three years ago with Danish embassies being burned and Danish products boycotted in Muslim countries, has subsided.
But the debate has simply lain dormant and has never been resolved.
And it resurfaced during last week’s Nato heads of government meeting, attended by US President Barack Obama.
Turkey threatened to veto the appointment of Denmark’s Prime Minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, as Nato secretary general because he had refused to apologise for the cartoons.
The charm and intervention of President Obama was required to persuade Turkey to back down.
As the alliance’s new chief executive, one of Mr Fogh Rasmussen’s prime tasks will be to try to heal the wounds between the West and the Muslim world.
Abdul Wahid Pedersen Senior Danish Muslim |
Turkish newspapers say one of the key concessions obtained by President Abdullah Gul and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is that Mr Fogh Rasmussen will be forced to apologise for the cartoons crisis.
According to the Danish press, one of his first acts of conciliation will be to publicly acknowledge that the 12 cartoons could have caused offence to the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims.
The U-turn is certain to upset a large percentage of the Danish population.
It is not widely appreciated that the explosion of worldwide Muslim anger in 2006 followed a visit to the Middle East by a delegation of Danish imams.
In a 2006 BBC Radio Four documentary called Denmark In the Eye of the Cartoon Storm, one of the imams, Ahmed Akkari, admitted to me that the delegation had carried three extra images that were even more inflammatory than the bomb in the turban.
“We took them to show that Muslims were being provoked,” said Mr Akkari.
These extra pictures had apparently been produced by right-wing extremists and not by Jyllands Posten. They included drawings of Muhammad with a pig’s head and the Prophet as a paedophile.
Following the imams’ intervention, the lives of the 12 cartoonists changed irrevocably and they paid the same price as author Salman Rushdie.
Only Mr Westergaard has come out of hiding. The 11 others have followed Danish secret service advice and either have round-the-clock protection or maintain low profiles. One of them is suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome.
Still wary
Mr Westergaard’s critics accuse him of being a right-wing “islamophobe” and of using the cartoons to bully Denmark’s 250,000-strong Muslim minority.
Kurt Westergaard’s self-portrait mocks his ability to land himself in trouble |
Tim Jensen, a professor of comparative religion at the University of Southern Denmark, said: “I think it is simply pathetic.
“I don’t think there is any need for that [new cartoons] right now. I think Muslims have to develop a thicker skin.
“But as long as they have not, let us deal with this in as a civilised manner as possible, let’s have our dialogues.”
Abdul Wahid Pedersen, a Dane who converted to Islam and now sits on the country’s Muslim council, denies that his religion is trying to exert a veto on a fundamental Western freedom.
“If I insult you, I don’t have the freedom of speech as my protector any longer,” he says.
“It is a matter of finding this balance and we have got to find it, not only in Denmark but in the rest of Europe. If we want to keep our dialogue on the level of insult then we are bound to go down a real dirty track.”
Mr Westergaard denies that he bears any hostility towards Muslims.
“But of course I have an anger against those who want to kill me,” he adds.
Although special security measures have been installed at his hyggelig home, he closes the curtains, just in case an assassin is lurking.
The great irony is that the new Nato secretary general is about to effectively apologise to the Islamic world for Mr Westergaard’s drawing while he, as Danish prime minister, was part of the Bush-Blair alliance which alienated Muslims by invading Iraq.
Kurt Westergaard says he is too old to be afraid
The cartoons prompted anti-Danish outrage across the Muslim world
Kurt Westergaard’s self-portrait mocks his ability to land himself in trouble
Comments
By Mian Fraz Ahmed on April 9th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Hi there,
“It is the question of freedom of speech, freedom of expression,” Kurt says.\n
Why feelings of Major portion of world (Muslims) is being ignored just to promote rights of a single person?
Why same right of expression is prohibited while discussing HOLOCAST?
Is it not violation of Democracy?
Is this not a calculated plan to bring moderate muslims towards Extremism?
The point is, there should be some precautions imposed while expressing personal opinion specially about some other religious, group of people!
Hope you will try to bring humanity closer instead of promoting such issues and discrepancies.
Bye
By M.K.J. on April 26th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
“Feelings of major portion of muslims is being ignored just to promote rights of a single person?”
Who cares whether or not you are a muslim? What about cartoons about Jesus, Buddha, Vishnu, the Jews, etc. etc. etc. etc.? Do you see any christians, buddhists, hindus, jews, etc. with hurt feelings rioting through the streest, destroying everything on their way???
Muslims shall have NO special treatment whatsoever here! You will be treated just like everyone else! Laughed at just like everyone else! Mocked just like everyone else! You are NOT special! You are NOT the chosen ones! You are not ‘holy’! You are just like everyone else…HUMAN!
So stop whining and complaining! Grow up!
By zagham on May 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pm
You people living a life with out any values and if this is disturbing for Muslim why u people publish that, when u people see that Muslims r going to unite u people raise some issue, when some one say that Israel holocaust is fake then u people r shouting. You people must know that Muslim also sharing this world with you and you must give us some space. Pakistani Muslim fighting your war and hurt a lot financially and human suffering also. Stop Publicize this photo issue and respect other religion I think this is your god education too.
By Muhammad Farhan on May 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
kurt westergaard!! Remember the day of judgment!
stop this nonsense activity (Cartoon) our beloved prophet Mohammad Peace Be upon him as soon as possible.
By svenskdod on August 3rd, 2009 at 4:20 am
Freedom of speech is the right of every individual, it is as simple as that. If you think it is defamation against someone who can not defend himself (because Mohammed is dead), then maybe you should look at the facts.
If you read the Koran, and other historic texts (not just islamic) then it is obvious what the truth it:
Mohammed WAS a warmonger, he WAS a terrorist, and more than anything he WAS a pedophile. These are not matters of debate, but actual facts.
I truly believe that in the beginning Mohammed believed in what he was doing, but somewhere along the way he got lost in the power he accumulated.
I am reminded of the quote “absolute power corrupts absolutely”
Today you have to be able to show that you are the bigger man, and you are civilised. These people are not. They are stuck in a time that is a thousand years too late.
We must fight this, or their “breed like rabbits” take over principle will drive Europe into another Dark Ages. It took us so long to get out of that. Someone once said that if we did not have the Dark Ages then we would be exploring the stars by now. What a sad thought that is……
Freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and freedom of choice. The cartoons are symbolic of all these things!!!!!!!
By Ace on August 13th, 2009 at 11:53 am
svenskdod
Dark ages for whom?as muslims we never seen dark ages in the muslim country’s(medicens,technology etc)we where always highly advanced than the rest of the world till recently after getting the idea lol.and also u need to get facts right,there’s a big differents between “INSULTING” and “FREEDOM OF SPEECH”.If i could do such madness and call it freedom of speech than the word insult should be deleted from the english dictonairy as it has no meaning
By Akhim Achad on September 20th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
ISLAM MEANS TERROR – A FACT WE ALL KNOW TODAY
EVERY TIME WE SEE TERROR – ITS ALL ABUOT ISLAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
By Ulf on September 23rd, 2009 at 4:23 am
Special consideration on religious grounds is weird. Religions are based on unsubstantiated beliefs in supernatural beings (gods). You are free to harbour such beliefs but do not expect me to respect them. There is no evidence of divinity, so the notion that I should somehow be restricted from expressing my opinion just because you think there is a magic man watching and judging us is unreasonable. Mind your own business and trust your god to send me to hell for my lack of faith.
By Grace on October 3rd, 2009 at 8:56 pm
It was a cartoon. Aside from that, many illustrations of Muhammed were drawn by Muslims for Muslims……with his face showing!!!!!! If feelings are what it’s all about for Islam, I suggest a couple of turns of Barry Manilow and a cocktail. Lighten up.
By Henrike on November 16th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Kurt Westergaard is a great man and I appreciate his fighting for the freedom of speech!! I don`t want to live in a society where we constantly have to think about what negative consequences it might have to say one`s opinion out loud
It is a shame that the prime minister is standing with his back to the wall.
By Talleyrand on February 11th, 2010 at 3:13 am
It’s not about freedom of speech of one individual, it’s about our fundamental way of life in the west. We spent hundreds of bloody years rolling back the human rights infringements of the Church to earn the right to freedom of speech and assembly and even faith without having some dumb priests looking over our shoulders and burning us at the stake when they felt their power threatened. Same goes for Islam, I am sorry to say. You folks are going to have to understand that you are being manipulated by the religious brass and by power-hungry creeps who probably don’t give a flying donut about any supreme being. I am NOT an atheist, but I consider all major organized religions to be political and in need of curtailing. They are dangerous, they prey on the weak of mind, they cause untold suffering. All of them, period.
If your faith is so weak that you feel threatened by a jovial old cartoonist, then I would seriously consider changing faith, not trying to rub out the cartoonist.
(Bunch of drama queens if you ask me).
By dukeofengland on January 30th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
There is no God, the western world has evolutionised and realising science and medical is todays preaching! Islam is under developed, and it is the trend of the people of islam, they cannot change from thier medievil beliefs. Islam is 1000 years behind, and they are trying to tell us what to do?! The audacity, preach, praise and all the rest. We have rights to draw cartoons like you do issue Fatwas outside your own countries!
Whats worse?
Lastly, Mo did not go to the mountain, so the mountain went to Mo. Well, Europe is not a mountain so bugger off back :) Peace x
By Frank LdR {Madrid) on February 1st, 2011 at 1:54 am
The ironic truth that has come to dominate European cultural and political life today is the Left’s imposition of censorship and political correctness
on society. Everywhere you travel in Spain,one looks behind one’s back before
speaking openly,especially about islam and it’s threat to European institutions and culture.People want to speak,but are intimidated,even fearful
of being labeled a “fascist” Well,no more! We’re will no longer be silenced,intimidated or live in fear. Muslims out of Spain and this time for good!
By Zak on February 15th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Its time to stop discussing any idea of free speech with Muslims. Muslim countries are so backward its a total joke. Do you see anyone lining up to go live in a Muslim country. Lets BAN ALL MUSLIM IMMIGRATION TO THE WESTERN DEMOCRACIES ASAP. This is the only way we can stop our culture going down the toilet to Muslim standards.
If you want to know about Muslims look at Muslim countries. They are shit holes.
(some reasons to ban all Muslim immigration)
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/denmark.htm